[Avodah] Abortion is not Murder?

[Micha Berger]

On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 11:02:50AM -0400, Yonatan Kaganoff wrote:
: There is a significant machlokes haposkim if Bnei Noach have to follow the
: rules and details of Sheva Mitzvos Bnei Noach outlined in the seventh perek
: Gemara Sanhedrin.

I would split this question further: there are the actual issurim of the
other six mitzvos, and there is the penalty the courts are expected to
mete out when implementing the 7th. Even if one holds that the legal
system a Noachide society has to establish must include every din of the
Beris Noach, that doesn't mean that they all have to be established as
dinei nefashos.

: One position is that they have to while the other is that they can create
: their own rule-system within the general category of Sheva Mitzvos Bnei
: Noach as long as such a system is just. I believe that the former is the
: position Rambam and the latter is the position of the Ramah.

The way I understood it, yes, the Rambam holds that the 7th mitzvah requires
a court that enforces the other 6.

But, I had thought the Ramah holds that the chiyuv is to have a legal
system that implements an orderly society. Totally unrelated to the other
six mitzvos, except where their purposes overlap (such as prohibiting
murder or theft).

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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