[Avodah] kiddush on Shabbat&YK

[Eli Turkel]

I found a 5 page teshuva of Rav Stern on the possible requirement of
someone on infusion to make Kiddush. In the process he also deals with the
question of kiddush on YK that falls on shabbat.

He takes for granted that the Torah obligation can be fulfilled with words
and so the only question is on the rabbinic level.
Hence, he answers that the rabbinic requirement to make kiddush friday
night was never enacted when it fell on YK. However, he brings a RID who
says that someone who is not eating a meal doesnt make kiddush and
therefore one doesnt make kiddush on shabbat-YK.
The Pri Chadash states that someone who has no wine or bread is not
required to make kiddush as he has already fulfilled his torah obligation
in davening.

Howver, birche yosef brings from R. Molcho that someone who is stranded in
the desert on shabbat without food has to say kiddush even though he has
davened maariv. Sefer Habatim explains that someone who will not eat friday
night makes kiddush on wine even though he wont have kiddush at a meal
(makom seudah)
Meiri already brings a mchloket on that. R Stern concludes that even
according to those opinions one doesnt need a meal but one does need wine.

skipping the rest of the discussion he concludes that one on infusion is
exempt from kiddush but if possible should hear from others.

BTW he brings a common minhag to make birkhat hamazon on the cup of wine at
seudah shlishit even though they dont drink the wine. He says that if they
drink from the cup after havdala there is a basis. However, if they pour
the wine back into the bottle he doesnt understand what one accomplishes.
He does bring that R. Wosner justifies the minhag but he disagrees.

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Eli Turkel
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