[Avodah] Synthetic meat, Ben PeKuAh

[Rabbi Meir G. Rabi, its Kosher!]

I wrote:

It should be noted that there is only a very weak decree that applies to
Ben Pekuah. And it does not even apply to all BeNey Pekuah. This is the
decree that it requires Shechitah. There is no decree to prohibit Tereifos,
there is no decree to prohibit Gid or Cheilev.

Indeed as Rabbi Teits indicates, YD 64:2 states explicitly that once the
ben p'kuah has stood or acc to some, walked, on the ground (the condition
that triggers the decree requiring sh'chita), its cheilev and its gid are
prohibited, v'yeish om'rim (which includes Rambam) that if it was
full-term, then even without standing on the ground the cheilev is
prohibited min haTora and carries the penalty of kareis.

However, it is equally clear that this is only true of a full term foetus.
A non full term foetus – even if it stands or walks and even if it lives
for many years, is not subject to any such decrees of Maris Ayin.

I also posted that -
If we argue that the Ben Pekuah is Parev, there is no indication that our
Sages decreed that it should be treated as though it is meaty.
I say IF because I am unsure and have for the time being very powerful
Sevara that appears to be supported by the Meshech Chochma, that it is
Parev i.e. it is not meat (just as deer and giraffe may be cooked with
milk, although different in that Chazal made no decree) but I otherwise do
not know yet of any [other] Posek who openly says it is Parev and there is
no decree.

On another related matter
The Heter of BP has nothing to do with it being deemed to be Shechted. Here
is the proof. It is Kosher even if it is not able to be Shechted, i.e. it
is dead inside its mother, in which case there is full agreement that it is
Kosher, its Gid is Kosher its Cheilev is Kosher. More than that, even if it
is a Min that cannot be Shechted, i.e. it is a CAMEL, [Gem Chullin 69a I
think, Shitas Rebbi Shimon] it is also Kosher. Ben Pekuah has NOTHING to do
with Shechita in the way we normally think about Shechita.

The reference to Meat in the Basket is misapplied in our discussion. The
Gem there is merely discussing if we can use the BP for Pidyon Petter
Chamor, and argues that it cannot since it is like it is dead already.
   However, since the permissibility of BP is because its mother's sh'chita
permitted it, it is like any other flesh permitted by that sh'chita --
i.e., fleishig.  Indeed, the g'mara in Chullin 74b refers to the BP, even
while alive, as "bisra b'dikula" -- meat in a basket.  There is no
indication of a decree that it be fleishig because it is so midin haTora,
not by rabbinic decree.



Sholom Simon <sholom at aishdas.org>
queried
If an egg found in a Shechted chicken is considered a fleish egg, one would
think a BP would certainly be fleish, no?

I say in response
Nice thought, but consider this - how does it become non-meat once it is
laid? We may fry eggs in butter. So, you will say its not really meat Min
HaTorah, its just a Rabbinic ordinance; thats great - so tell me how it
transitions from a Shekets into a Kosher chick, when it opens its eyes or
according to others, when it emerges from its shell?





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