[Avodah] reality
Saul.Z.Newman at kp.org
Saul.Z.Newman at kp.org
Thu Nov 17 09:59:16 PST 2011
http://www.jewswithquestions.com/index.php?/topic/115-scales-fins-and-the-suns-orbit/page__p__290#entry290
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in general, whenever Chazal make a scientific statement, they are not
talking about the observable universe but rather the "real" universe. What
we - and the scientists - see is only a graphic user interface, so to
speak. The real world - the real sun, real moon, real earth - is not
observable by current scientific means. Chazal were talking about the real
world when they spoke. I'd recommend this Shiur [ link available
there] for a full treatment.
Therefore, the Jewish sages were talking about the "real" universe, which
indeed behaves exactly as the Chachmei Yisroel described. The non-Jewish
scholars were arguing with limited information, i.e. with what their
scientists could see on the "outside," GUI world. We agree that on the
outside, it would appear the way they say. But the Chachmei Yisroel saw
deeper, they saw into the real world and there, their description is
correct.
----- it would seem to me that if eg chazal say 2+2= 5 , and our
reality sees the metzius as 2+2=4 , it still equals 5 . this implies
chazalic observations are ALWAYS correct , it may on a more metaphysical
or medrashic plane .
my question is in general the thinking about the now banned approaches
to chazals that don't fit. is it that believing 2+2=4 is
inherently assur ; or is it a slippery slope, that 2+2 =4 would lead
to mixed dancing as the old joke goes?
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