[Avodah] Haleiv HaCompanies

[Micha Berger]

On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 3:07pm EDT, Zev Sero wrote:
: >Essentially RMF says that the USDA is a proxy for this "Jew in the
: >vicinity" and triggers the same "mirsas" via "anan sahadi". [I'm fuzzy
: >what the specific dynamics of this anan sahadi are about]

: Sorry, this misstates the IM's position....                    Rather,
: his position in the original teshuvah is that "anan sahadi" is a full
: eidus *for all purposes*....

I do not see where you disagree with RRW's obvious intent.

RMF treats Chalav Yisrael (CY) as a question of requiring birur, and thus
any form of birur is sufficient. The "Jew in the vicinity" (eid echad
neeman be'isurin) which gives CY its name is just one possible birur,
as is anan sahadi.

BTW, you note that you're writin of RMF's original teshuvah. I am not
convinced his position was constant over time.

However, if someone were choleiq, and held that CY was a gezeirah,
we would require supervision even if there were no chance of a problem.

It would seem to me that the same birur issue would arise lekhol hadei'os
if one was dealing with a mumar rather than a nakhri. Since he's a mumar,
he is just as likely to adulterate the milk. Since he's a Yehudi, he's
outside the possible gezeirah.

BTW, a co worker leaves CY milk in a screw-top bottle in a company
fringe. Tampering is far from evident. I asked him once if the bottle
remains CY after leaving it there unattended. He replied that he never
heard of chalav haneelam min haayin. But it does seem RMF was thinking in
those terms by speaking of identifying the situation up to and including
the last nachri owner.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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