[Avodah] Psulei edus invalidating the whole group

[Micha Berger]

On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 09:15:53AM -0400, Zev Sero wrote:
: Does this apply only to people who could be in the geder of edus, if
: only they weren't relatives, cardsharps, or whatever?   In other words,
: if women are included among the witnesses, can we say that they don't
: invalidate the male witnesses, because they're not even potentially
: kosher, so they're as if they weren't there?

Something I don't get, although this has more to do with the thread
about R' Chaim and pesaq...

There is a Brisker "zach" not to say Vayekhulu after "shemoneh esrei"
alone, as it's a form of eidus, and eidus requires 2. For similar
reasons to standing for Vayechulu when making qiddush -- although
there we don't have someone else say it along.

Nu, so one time I see a father repeating Vayekhulu 2 serve as a 2nd for
a son who fell behind the minyan. I pointed out the irony of it, since
there wouldn't be eidus there way either.

Besides, why wouldn't eid echad suffice, anyway? It's not a matter of
oneshim or mamunus.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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