[Avodah] [Areivim] Jew Or Not?

[Zev Sero]

A poster on Areivim wrote, regarding a situation where someone's
mother's mother's mother was alleged to have been a meshumedes:

> the dayanim discussed the outcome had we found [proof]:

And were they aware of the Pischei Teshuva's explicit psak that the
children of a mumar do not require tevilah?

PS: The more I think about it the less sure I am that the GRO really
does argue with the Pischei Teshuvah.   I had assumed he did, because
of the mekoros he gives for the two requirements in the Ramo, teviloh
and kabolas hamitzvos.  But since the whole thing is a minhag, perhaps
these mekoros he gives are only asmachtos, telling us where the
rabbonim who made this takanah in the first place got the idea, or
perhaps not even that, but rather where we can find some kind of support
for the idea.   So he found a story in Ovos d'R Nosson where a woman
was sent to the mikveh for having eaten treif (beheter, because she
had nothing else to eat), and a Tosfos that says an ex-chaver who wants
to return to chaverus must re-accept the rules before three men, and
suggests that these could serve *by analogy* as mekoros of a sort for
the derech teshuvah the Ramo gives for a mumar.   But it's not necessary
that he would apply these mekoros rigorously, and require them of
everyone who had eaten treif or who had lapsed from full shmiras
hamitzvos, or to the children of mumrim.


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