[Avodah] Tinok Shenishbah today - opinion of Gedolei

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Micha:
> Along the lines of your other thread, a test would be stam yeinam of
> geirei toshav. Allowed, or not? Probably not, but I would guess only
> because of the other reason for stam yeinam -- intermarriage.

Aisi there are 2 separate dinnim
    1 The contamination due to A"z
    2 the contamination due to lack of shmiras shabbos

IIRC there is a story how a rav deflected some anti-semitism re: wine
contaminated by a Gentile. The Gentiles were offended (if anyone knows
details re: this ma'aseh plz feel free to furnish them!)

The rav cleverly told him it's a function of shemiras shabbos -- IOW
that even a Jew who is not observant would contaminate the wine as much
as any Gentile. Since wine is used to sanctify shabbos therefore it must
be handled only by shom'rei shabbos. The Gentile was mollified..

If this ma'aseh is instructive then shma mina tlas:

1 the reason one is not shomer shabbos is irrelavent; one either is or
is not.

2 if somehow in a hypothetical universe that a Gentile could be shomer
shabbos (I don't see how because of goy sheshavas, etc.) the wine would
be kosher.

3 A very frum ger toshav ben noach would still contaminate the wine
since he is not a Shomer Shabbos.

OTOH the rav might have been using a "dechiyya b'alma" and then we look
at other factors

KT
RRW
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