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Yitzchak
> Magen Avraham (I assume that's who you mean by MGA) does require
> aiting until zeis for kiddush (beginning of 494).


True but note the MGA requires repeating krias shema - since one does
not say KS al hamitta

Let's be medakdeik
Shma mina at least tlas:

1. The MGA pre-supposes davening ma'ariv before zman krias shema

2. He pre-supposes that when daveing .ma'ariv before the zman that KS
al hamitta is OK to make that up (minmally bedi'avad)

3 everyone presumablly stayed up all night. If not niskatnu haddoros
certainly cholsha haddoros!

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4 the hakpada on qiddush is similar to that of trumas hadeshen on layl
seder But as you know, saying bar'chu after tzeis vs. Qiddush after tzeis
may implly a full 30 minute differential or many more! EG I have a 25
minute walk home from the nursing home!

5. The MB for some reason ignored this MGA Conversely the AhS ignored the
Taz! I would say keep both options alive! (Micha's heuristics - viz. A
range of valid options!) For bachray yeshiva daven late. For nursing
homes daven early. For big shuls (EG Queens Jewish Center) offer BOTH!

After all it is what it is a minhag

I don't stop those saying a bracha on hallel on layl seder in shul
although imho it would be levattala!

Sometimes I wonder why people are more passionate about a disputed minhag
-EG Qitniyyos - than halachah mamash?!

There is nothing wrong about late ma'ariv. There is perhaps something
wrong in forcing the issue upon the unwilling or the unable.

Just as an aside how many Israeli eateries are qitniyyos free on Chol
hamo'ed Pesach? No one seems to force them to follow this ashkenazic
minhag

-RRW
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