[Avodah] is mayim acharonim a chumra?

[rabbirichwolpoe at gmail.com]

> One may not talk after Mayim Acharonim

True.

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Actually this is very fuzzy

Talmud
Teikef lintilla bracha (iirc)

Since We ashkenazim are machmir on mayyim rishonim (source Rosh) therefore
why be machmir on acharonim, too?

Now Sephardim do apply this to mayyim Acharonim
But  rambam says:
No hefsek implies - afilu lishtos mayyim (iirc)

Possible misunderstanding:

This is a case where hefsek has been either chumraized or misperceived to
mean "no talking". But it seems more likely to mean no more eating. Nor
any other distractions
 The idea of no talking seems to be a "davening concept" applied to seudah.

Related Brisker analysis:
There are zvei dinnim in hefsek
By davening it is dibbur that is what one does by davening

By seudah it is eating or shinuy maqom etc.

But of course aside from maybe the Rambam no one I know agrees with this.
OTOH some siddurim do allow some baqqashos after mayyim acharonim.


[Email #2 -mi]

Akiva:
> Are these writers really talking about Mayim Acharonim, or are they
> talking about something else?

How about al neqqiyus yadayin in the morning in lieu of neigel vasser?


[Email #3 -mi]

> Look in the Mishna Berura 181:24.  Afilu bedivrei Torah does not mean no
> more eating.  It means no talking
> Gershon
> gershon.dubin at juno.com

Ein hachi nami

Look at my post

The olam does not agree with me and I even stated that! But this is aisi
the simple peshat; hefsek as in seudah not as in dibbur

Mah nafshach
If the gmara means no hefseik before hamotzi then there is no reason to
not talk before mayyim acharonim

Sephardim talk freely after the first netillas yadayim! It is the Rosh
who requires silence after mayyim rishonim.

Plus the rambam says something like afilu ein lishtos mayyim! He holds
no hefsek is re: acharonim and nevertheless does not talk about talking!
Why not?

We Ashkenazim who hold no hefsek is about rishonim makes no sense to be
that machmir

-RRW
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