[Avodah] (Neviim & Possible Mistakes); Akeidah & Yizchak

[hankman]

RYZ wrote:
according to you in the part of the
Nvuoh that is meant for conveyence (which is the most important) there is no
difference by the fact that he sees thru Eina Meiroh,

CM asks:
Frankly, I am not 1000% sure, but I would assume that there would be a difference in the final comprehension between Moshe's comprehension with aspaklaria hameira and other neviim even after an "infallible" pisron. But I am not clear where exactly the distinction lies but have a vague idea as described below.

If I understand you correctly though, you seem to be saying just that - that the only difference is the method of delivery of the nevuoh due to the frailty of klei kibul of shar neviim as compared to Moshe Rabbeinu, as you seem to say in this quote "the Rambam defines that the Eina Meira is in the fact that it is thru a Moshol."
 But that after the pisron is received there is NO difference in the comprehended message? Is this correct? Or is this only what you impute to me?

RYZ wrote:
... and not that others see things that are irrelevant.
In addition why should HKBH show in a nvuoh useless information?

CM responds:
I think it is obvious that no part of a nevuoh "is irrelevant" or "useless," even the moshol or chido without pisron or with partial pisron (the part Hashem wishes to transmit). The reiyah to this is that often the moshol or chido was recorded in Nach ledoros. I would speculate that eventually meaning will somehow (perhaps through chidushei Torah?) be ascribed even to the denser parts of the nevuoh.

Just to understand you clearly, is it your position that EVERY part of the mareh has a full pisron, fully comprehended by the novi? And that the aspaklaria sheina meira only means the method of delivery, but has no consequence on the level of comprehension of the novi because he has the aid of the infallible pisron?

RYZ wrote"
Where does it say that it was Nvuoh with a Pisron?  It was Gilui Shchina
(Rashi Shmos 15:2) there are different levels in that.

CM responds:
I imagine you mean the Rashi D"H "zeh Keili." I see no mention of ruach hakodesh in that Rashi?
I recall (from many years ago) that I was taught that at krias Yam Suf the entire klal Yisroel attained for that brief moment the level of nevuah. (I hope my memory serves well here, although I do forget my keys etc. :-), I imagine there must be a medrash somewhere but my bekius is not adequate. Anyone with a Bar Ilan search?

RYZ wrote:
if Eino Meira indicates that there is non
understood parts in the Cholom, and (that fact itself indicates that) those
parts he doesn't need to say, then how can there be an entire Cholom w/o
understanding and yet he has to say it. of course If HKBH would tell him
that he should say it anyway he would have to, but it would be a Stira in
Higoyon.

CM responds:
First, as I wrote above, no part of the nevuoh is without merit, even the parts with no or partial pisron. Furthermore, the fact that the nevuoh was "eina meira," is not necessarily synonymous with "non understood parts." For example, if you are looking at a picture of your lawn, you see the message of the picture, is it a "non understanding" because you don't have a magnifier to see the angle of each blade of grass in the picture, or with yet greater electron microscopic detail to see each molecule of each blade of grass? It depends on the nature of the message you want to convey. Is the message about the molecules of the lawn, the position of the blades of grass or the macro qualities of the lawn that are discernible from the picture provided. To what extent has the complete message not been understood because you did not get to see molecules? Most likely, herein lies the point of "eina meira."

RYZ wrote:
LAN"D Moshol does not mean not understanding

CM responds:
So we are back again full circle with the need to explain the difference between Moshe and shar neviim in this aspect of nevuoh. Do you think my above model is not appropriate, or do you agree with this as at least a partial description of "eina meira"?

Kol Tuv and a Gut Shabbos

Chaim Manaster
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