[Avodah] תשובה: further on Temimos

[Shlomo Pick]

I remember hearing while studying at yu (I think in the name of the Rav, and
I hope someone can confirm this), that while there was a minhag for women to
bench licht just before Kiddush to demonstrate that ha’avarat eish is
permitted on Yom Tov, it was better to light before yom tov, in accordance
with rambam, hil. Yom tov, 6:16 that just like on shabbos there is a din of
kavod, so too on yom tov there is a din of kavod. In hil. Shabbos 30:5
rambam says that part of kavod shabbos is to have a ner daluk before
shabbos, and thus one should light candles before the onset of yom tov,
lechvod yom tov, just like his table set, he is washed and decked out.  This
year before  yom tov I heard a shiur from a grandson of rav Elyashiv (sorry
no video on this) who said the same thing in the name of his grandfather,
and thus out of kavod yom tov one should bench licht early, before
nightfall, and then of course wait for at least Kiddush until after zeit….  

And for those who have a feminist trend among you, see the introduction of
the preesha who brings from his mother, the wife of the semah and pressha
and dreesha, that a woman should light the yom tov candles before nightfall
and not at night, and she labeled the custom of lighting before Kiddush a
minhag ta’ut.  Her son concurred with this pesak, and we have shown so do
gedolei hora’ah of this generation. Further on yom tov candles see aruch
hashulchan 514:17 how they should be lit, and a general summary of the
shitot, R.Ovadya Yosef, yechaveh da’at 1:28 (beat you to it, rabbanit c.
Luntz :-)). Hope this has been illuminating to you.

Kol tuv

Shlomo

 

 

 

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מאת: Prof. Levine [mailto:llevine at stevens.edu] 
נשלח: Thursday, June 04, 2009 5:29 PM
אל: avodah at lists.aishdas.org
עותק: Shlomo Pick
נושא: further on Temimos

 

At 10:18 AM 6/4/2009, R. S. Pick wrote:




true for temimos, but according to the Natziv the real reason for delaying
maariv on Shavuot is because the verse states beEtzem hayom hazeh which
negates tosefet yom tov for Shavuot and thus there would be no difference
between the two days in the Diaspora.


This brings to mind a question that occurred to me a couple of days ago. If
we are concerned about Temimos, then should we not insist that women wait
until Tzeis (when the first day of Shavuous is not on Shabbos) to bentch
licht?  Yet I have never heard of anyone saying such a thing. Indeed, all of
the calenders that I have ever seen give the standard time for candle
lighting (18 minutes before Shkia). True, a women could wait to light until
after Tzeis, but many do not. If we are so concerned about Temimos, then why
aren't women told to wait until after Tzeis to light. 

Now what you say about the Netziv adds to my question. If there is no
Tosefos Yom Tov for Shavuous, then how can women light candles before Tzeis?
Is lighting before Tzeis even valid? 



Yitzchok Levine

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