[Avodah] Tinok Shenishbah today - opinion of Gedolei Haposkim

[Micha Berger]

On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 07:33:02PM +0300, Doron Beckerman wrote:
: RMF (IM OC I:22:11, and even more so EH IV:59, and OC V 28:22), RSZA (see
: Halichos Shlomo Pesach 9 footnote 145), RYSE, and Rav Nissim Karelitz all
: hold that the Chilonim in EY are generally not Tinokos Shenishbu..
: Rav Chaim Kanievsky (see Maaseh Ish V page 32) said that the CI explicitly
: excluded Ben Gurion and his ilk from Tinok Shenishba category.

This is back a generation or 2. Now that that generation is raising the
leadership of today, does the same pesaq hold?

When RMF z"l wrote that teshuvah, JTSA wasn't ordaining women, never
mind people who proudly advocate their homosexual "lifestyle". JTSA had
no bible critical requirements; today they require of their graduates
more hours of denial of TmS than of "halakhah" (as they define the term).
RMF concluded that C religious leaders were NOT tinoqs shenishbe'u. Can
we be so sure he would rule identically today?

Similarly in Israel. The secular Zionist community didn't even have a
stellar success relaying their own ideals, never mind their underlying
feeling for Jewishness (however they defined it).

Today's situation requires a new pesaq from today's poseqim.

There are many of the chevrah who accept that post-48 attitudes toward
Zionism should not be based on RCBrisker's or REWasserman's pesaqim. Those
who embrace this notion already acknowledge the notion that generational
social and political changes can include the assumptions that underly
a pesaq. I think my argument parallels.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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