[Avodah] [Areivim] hand vs machine Matzah

[Akiva Blum]

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> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 5:19 AM
> To: Eli Turkel
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> Subject: Re: [Areivim] hand vs machine Matzah
> 
> 
> On 08/04/2009, at 12:57 AM, Eli Turkel wrote:
> 
> > <<> There is a psak from R. Elyashiv (which I think is 
> obvious) that  
> > if
> >> various
> >> people won't eat from the matzos of another at the seder (different
> >> hashgachot, machine/hand etc) they cannot join together 
> for a zimmun
> >
> > R. Elyashiv is only paskening that if in fact neither set 
> of people  
> > will eat
> > the other kind of matzah then they can't make a zimmun together.
> I know that. What I was suggesting was that since *B'Deieved* 
> the two  
> could eat each variety
> in the event that one variety was not available, then it's simply an  
> exercise in choice as far
> as the gavra is concerned, but the cheftza does have a 
> possibility of  
> being shared (albeit in
> only certain circumstances).
> 
> As such, it might be similar to a case where one was eating Rye for  
> health reasons and the other Whitebread
> also for health reasons but if neither had access they would eat the  
> other bread. Do those people not
> make zimun when they eat Rye and Whitebread at a meal?

Take a look at SA OC 196:3 where this is discussed.

My Mishna Berura published by Dirshu quotes Rav Sternbuch (Tshuvas Vehanhogos
4:100) and  Rav Wosner (Shevet Halevi 8:117) WRT machine and hand matzos, saying
the same thing.

I haven't looked up the first source, but I see Rav Wosner says it, and brings a
proof from a tshuva of Maharam meRutenburg that applies this halocho even in a
case of someone who defers from eating certain foods for his personnel health
reasons.

It seems Rav Elyashiv wasn't the first.

Akiva