[Avodah] running a seder

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Tue Apr 7 11:51:23 PDT 2009


Micha:
"m attaching the seider of the seder, as seen IMHO. I think the only
controversial point is that it requires moving Ha Lachma Anya from the
beginning of Magid to being the explanation of Yachatz. That allows (1)
a grouping of the 15 steps of the seder based on when we refill the kosos,
and (2) opening Maggid with questions, not a declaration.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha"

The ikkar of arousing curiosity comes before mah nishtanah.  As AhS and doniel goldschmidt note mah nistanah are not questions about what has happened but an intro to what will happen

Rishonim had the leader saying mah nishtaneh.  The acharonim changed it to the kids probably because they mis-construesd the meaning of the printed Talmud (see Goldschmidt for details and 
Also See rambam that leader says mah nishtana and the artscroll mishnayos on arvei Pesachim)
After seeing  Toesfta to arvei pesachim
Roughly 10 yrs. Ago -  I wondered:. How can a ba'al habbayis say arami oveid avi and be incapable of saying Hallel!? 

The answer came in a shabbos hagadol drasha

Q:  Why was arami chosen over more complete passages in shmos re: Exodus? 

A: Because every am ho'oretz was literate enough for vidduy bikkurim!  And thereofre it was a passage known by all as opposed to parshas bo.

This explains the ability to say arami and still not be able to say Hallel which was my question.

Anyway consultation with haggados such as Kasher's haggadah shlaeima as well as the aforementioned Goldschmidt will answer many questions and clear up misperceptions.

Zissen Pesach
RRW
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