[Avodah] The influence of Nusach Sefard on Nusach Ashkenaz

[Richard Wolpoe]

On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 9:59 PM, Micha Berger <micha at aishdas.org> wrote:

> On Sun, Feb 10, 2008 at 02:24:28PM -0500, Richard Wolpoe wrote:
> : Tanegntially since minhag avos was throwrn out with regard to Baruch
> Hashem
> : l'olam and Tefilln on Hulo shel Moed, why bother keeping it with
> Kitniyyos?
>
> I would argue that you're still conflating definitions of the word
> minhag. But either way...
>
> What outweighs minhag WRT qitniyos? Tefillin on chol hamo'ed violates
> an aggadic value,


and is omitting a mitzva d'orraiso!




> if you base your agadic values on the Zohar,


When did the Zohar become an authoritative text in Ashkenaz!





> and not
> saying Barukh H' leOlam is in contrast to the textual sources.


Aderabba!  going from Shomer amo yisorle lo'ad to Amidah inwith an
intervening Kaddish is hefsek betwen G'ula to Tefilah. But since Barcuh
Hashem is aquasi Tefillah there IS not kaddish that is mafsik  Sources
actually support either

Straight ot Amidah
OR
Saying Baruc hshem in lieu of Amidah

Textual sources are against wht SEpharad/Ari/Gra do as a hefsek beteen
g'ulah litfilahh

Rabbi Yohcan exmpts hashem Sefasai tiftach as an exception. The Gmeram makes
NOT exmption for kaddish which is JSUT as Ga'onic AS Baruch hashem l'olam
anyway

.






> Qitniyos
> violates what? Simchas Yom Tov?


Minhag Ta'us.. Vilates nothing buit if minahg avos is dsiposable why keep a
minhag Ta'us? se Beis Ysoef!

>
>
> ...
> : At least for the most part [excpet probably for the innovation of
>  dancing
> : on Simchas Torah] Yekkes are pretty consistent.
>
> Only because they share your weighting of minhag avos over nearly
> everything
> else. Although RSRH was known for establishing new minhagim.



Sources please?!Aside from madding Choir what minhag did he innovate?
Klugman said he REFUSED to tinker with piyytim and he DEFEINTELY said Baruch
Hshem L"olam etc.




> I think because
> of the aggadic value factor, that will be true for any founder of an Ism.


Aggadic values place a high priority on al tiosh Toras imecha [2 sugyas in
shas with Rabbi Yochanan that go undisputed!]


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